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		<title>By: desimaj</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/14/iran-erupts-as-voters-back-the-democrator/#comment-3784</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 17:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[funny that none of western media are covering the size of ahmedinejad&#039;s victory rally, which has massively more numbers than the protests or even the mousavi rallies before the election]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny that none of western media are covering the size of ahmedinejad&#8217;s victory rally, which has massively more numbers than the protests or even the mousavi rallies before the election</p>
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		<title>By: qunfuz</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 11:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Angry Arab&#039;s Western Primer on Elections in Developing Countries:

Some Western principles in assessing elections in developing countries:
1) When the favored candidates win, the elections are free and fair. And when they lose, elections are certainly unfree and stolen.
2) Violent protests against elections that produce winners favored by the west, are to be strictly condemned and protesters are to be called terrorists, hooligans and mobs (can you imagine if Lebanese opposition supporters were to engage in violent protests against the election results in Lebanon), while violent protests against enemies of the US when they win elections (like in Moldova) are to be admired (and the protesters in those cases are called &quot;democracy activists&quot;.
3) It is not against free elections to have Western governments interfere in elections and in funding candidates through Western groups for the promotion of democracy.
4) Candidates (or even dictators) who serve Western interests are automatically labeled as &quot;reform candidates&quot; (even the Saudi tyrant is referred to as &quot;reform-minded&quot;), while candidates who oppose Western economic and political interests are to be labeled enemies of reform.
5) Candidates who are not strident in their language about Israel are always favored.
6) Western observers of elections are always on hand to declare an election unfair and rigged if the favored candidates lose.
7) The corruption of pro-US candidates (like the March 14 bunch) is preferred to the non-corruption of, say, Mugabe.
8) The democratic credentials of dictators immediately improve if they change their policies toward the US and if they express willingness to serve US economic and political interests.
9) Countries where dictators do a good job in serving US economic and political interests need not hold elections.
10) If favored candidates can&#039;t guarantee electoral victory (like the PA tool, Abu Mazen whose term has expired months ago), they don&#039;t need to hold elections and will be treated as if they won an election anyway.
11) It is just not logical to assume that people in developing countries can freely ever decide to make choices that are not consistent with political and economic interests of the US.
12) Elections that are held under American and Israeli occupations are free and fair if the preferred candidates win.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Angry Arab&#8217;s Western Primer on Elections in Developing Countries:</p>
<p>Some Western principles in assessing elections in developing countries:<br />
1) When the favored candidates win, the elections are free and fair. And when they lose, elections are certainly unfree and stolen.<br />
2) Violent protests against elections that produce winners favored by the west, are to be strictly condemned and protesters are to be called terrorists, hooligans and mobs (can you imagine if Lebanese opposition supporters were to engage in violent protests against the election results in Lebanon), while violent protests against enemies of the US when they win elections (like in Moldova) are to be admired (and the protesters in those cases are called &#8220;democracy activists&#8221;.<br />
3) It is not against free elections to have Western governments interfere in elections and in funding candidates through Western groups for the promotion of democracy.<br />
4) Candidates (or even dictators) who serve Western interests are automatically labeled as &#8220;reform candidates&#8221; (even the Saudi tyrant is referred to as &#8220;reform-minded&#8221;), while candidates who oppose Western economic and political interests are to be labeled enemies of reform.<br />
5) Candidates who are not strident in their language about Israel are always favored.<br />
6) Western observers of elections are always on hand to declare an election unfair and rigged if the favored candidates lose.<br />
7) The corruption of pro-US candidates (like the March 14 bunch) is preferred to the non-corruption of, say, Mugabe.<br />
8) The democratic credentials of dictators immediately improve if they change their policies toward the US and if they express willingness to serve US economic and political interests.<br />
9) Countries where dictators do a good job in serving US economic and political interests need not hold elections.<br />
10) If favored candidates can&#8217;t guarantee electoral victory (like the PA tool, Abu Mazen whose term has expired months ago), they don&#8217;t need to hold elections and will be treated as if they won an election anyway.<br />
11) It is just not logical to assume that people in developing countries can freely ever decide to make choices that are not consistent with political and economic interests of the US.<br />
12) Elections that are held under American and Israeli occupations are free and fair if the preferred candidates win.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 10:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just before the elections, students of Sharif University didn&#039;t let Ahmadi Nejad enter the university to hold a rally. They demonstrated heavily against him.
Students&#039;grudge is partly motivated by the fact that AN is backed by the same group who carried operations such as the attack at the university dormitories during Khatami&#039;s presidency.
There is this cliche about Moussavi&#039;s upper class supporters. 
It is true that his supporters are mainly urban. The bulk of it are the educated: teachers, students, civil servants also journalists etc.   
The same people who backed the reformist candidate Khatami (21 millions vote in his second mandate), back Moussavi - who is backed by Khatami.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just before the elections, students of Sharif University didn&#8217;t let Ahmadi Nejad enter the university to hold a rally. They demonstrated heavily against him.<br />
Students&#8217;grudge is partly motivated by the fact that AN is backed by the same group who carried operations such as the attack at the university dormitories during Khatami&#8217;s presidency.<br />
There is this cliche about Moussavi&#8217;s upper class supporters.<br />
It is true that his supporters are mainly urban. The bulk of it are the educated: teachers, students, civil servants also journalists etc.<br />
The same people who backed the reformist candidate Khatami (21 millions vote in his second mandate), back Moussavi &#8211; who is backed by Khatami.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumple Stiltskin_24</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rumple Stiltskin_24]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 08:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Juans analysis seems to be verging as conspiracy theory masquerading as suspect academe.A reason maybe that Juan is a member of the advisory board of Parsis NED part-funded NIAC which would mean his resource input is emirge Mousavi camp centric.

http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html

Another aspect seems to be that the rioters are the most prosperous looking rioters one could hope to see outwith the right run Universities in Venezuela protesting against Chavez.

Guardian Comment has an article that suggests that other than outside Iran a  comfortable win for Ahmedinejad was entirely expected news.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Juans analysis seems to be verging as conspiracy theory masquerading as suspect academe.A reason maybe that Juan is a member of the advisory board of Parsis NED part-funded NIAC which would mean his resource input is emirge Mousavi camp centric.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.juancole.com/2009/06/stealing-iranian-election.html</a></p>
<p>Another aspect seems to be that the rioters are the most prosperous looking rioters one could hope to see outwith the right run Universities in Venezuela protesting against Chavez.</p>
<p>Guardian Comment has an article that suggests that other than outside Iran a  comfortable win for Ahmedinejad was entirely expected news.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/jun/13/iranian-election</a></p>
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		<title>By: 99</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[99]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 07:25:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, this really could be 2009&#039;s version of 1953, or an attempted 1953.  It just is &lt;b&gt;NOT&lt;/b&gt; paranoid to see enemies behind every bush in Iran right now.  The country has been crawling with intelligence people from the United States and Israel, and terrorists in our pay... JSOC assassins... for years.  The regime the neocons were/are so bent on changing has been up to their eyeballs with them and, amazingly, have managed to resist every inducement to blunder badly all this time.  This might be their big blunder at last, or it might be them feeling forced into something this drastic.

I&#039;d give a lot for a nice sit down with someone who knows exactly what is going on... if there exists such a person on earth, that is....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, this really could be 2009&#8242;s version of 1953, or an attempted 1953.  It just is <b>NOT</b> paranoid to see enemies behind every bush in Iran right now.  The country has been crawling with intelligence people from the United States and Israel, and terrorists in our pay&#8230; JSOC assassins&#8230; for years.  The regime the neocons were/are so bent on changing has been up to their eyeballs with them and, amazingly, have managed to resist every inducement to blunder badly all this time.  This might be their big blunder at last, or it might be them feeling forced into something this drastic.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d give a lot for a nice sit down with someone who knows exactly what is going on&#8230; if there exists such a person on earth, that is&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: homeyra</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[homeyra]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 06:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fisk should reconsider the &quot;truthfulness&quot; of his friend. See Gary Sick or Juan Cole&#039;s blog for a more realistic portrayal of polls.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fisk should reconsider the &#8220;truthfulness&#8221; of his friend. See Gary Sick or Juan Cole&#8217;s blog for a more realistic portrayal of polls.</p>
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		<title>By: desimaj</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/14/iran-erupts-as-voters-back-the-democrator/#comment-3775</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[desimaj]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 05:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the pictures posted by mousavi supporters kinda indicate that it was the mousavi camp which initiated violence and rioting, when subsequently drew police reaction.  The Iranian police are well trained and organized and brutal if they want to be and the fact that pictures show so many of them hurt indicates they were taking it easy:
http://omid57.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_13.html
http://news.gooya.com/didaniha/archives/2009/06/089095.php]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the pictures posted by mousavi supporters kinda indicate that it was the mousavi camp which initiated violence and rioting, when subsequently drew police reaction.  The Iranian police are well trained and organized and brutal if they want to be and the fact that pictures show so many of them hurt indicates they were taking it easy:<br />
<a href="http://omid57.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_13.html" rel="nofollow">http://omid57.blogspot.com/2009/06/blog-post_13.html</a><br />
<a href="http://news.gooya.com/didaniha/archives/2009/06/089095.php" rel="nofollow">http://news.gooya.com/didaniha/archives/2009/06/089095.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: peoplesgeography</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peoplesgeography]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Jun 2009 04:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Extraordinary.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A middle-aged woman walked up to him – the women were braver in confronting the police than the men yesterday – and shouted an obvious question: “Why are you breaking up the pavements of our city?” The policeman raised his baton to strike the woman but an officer ran across the road and stood between them. “You must never hit a woman,” he said. Praise where praise is due, even in a riot.

But the policemen went on breaking up stones, &lt;strong&gt;a crazy reverse version of France in May 1968. Then it was the young men who wanted revolution who threw stones. In Tehran – fearful of a green Mousavi revolution – it was the police who threw stones.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Extraordinary.</p>
<blockquote><p>A middle-aged woman walked up to him – the women were braver in confronting the police than the men yesterday – and shouted an obvious question: “Why are you breaking up the pavements of our city?” The policeman raised his baton to strike the woman but an officer ran across the road and stood between them. “You must never hit a woman,” he said. Praise where praise is due, even in a riot.</p>
<p>But the policemen went on breaking up stones, <strong>a crazy reverse version of France in May 1968. Then it was the young men who wanted revolution who threw stones. In Tehran – fearful of a green Mousavi revolution – it was the police who threw stones.</strong></p></blockquote>
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