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		<title>By: Rumple Stiltskin_24</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4258</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:41:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fair enough.
Enjoy your ambiguities!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough.<br />
Enjoy your ambiguities!</p>
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		<title>By: Pedestrian</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4254</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 14:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The poll was not all that the Amin article talks about. And just because the article justifies an Ahmaidnejad win doesn&#039;t mean it gets its facts right. 

Goudarzi, Ghaziyan and Abdi are the only Iranians INSIDE Iran who specialize in conducting polls and all three of them have cast doubt on Ballen and Dohrety&#039;s findings. (the first two weren&#039;t even associated with any candidate, they are university professors). If you&#039;re mindset is that of polls done in the U.S., than I also suggest you take more time to go through reports about IRAN. 

Kayhan&#039;s article wasn&#039;t based on any POLL. They specifically said it was &quot;their prediction&quot; without giving reference to anything at all. Fatemeh Rahbar (PM), Farsnews, and Ahmadinejad&#039;s deputy declared that he would win 24 MILLION VOTES weeks before the election ... just yesterday, Rezai&#039;s website posted the scanned newspaper pages where they had made these statements.

If you&#039;d like to go on thinking that A.N. won the election, that&#039;s fine. But for an Iranian, there have surfaced too many facts and too many questions and too many ambiguities to go on thinking that way.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poll was not all that the Amin article talks about. And just because the article justifies an Ahmaidnejad win doesn&#8217;t mean it gets its facts right. </p>
<p>Goudarzi, Ghaziyan and Abdi are the only Iranians INSIDE Iran who specialize in conducting polls and all three of them have cast doubt on Ballen and Dohrety&#8217;s findings. (the first two weren&#8217;t even associated with any candidate, they are university professors). If you&#8217;re mindset is that of polls done in the U.S., than I also suggest you take more time to go through reports about IRAN. </p>
<p>Kayhan&#8217;s article wasn&#8217;t based on any POLL. They specifically said it was &#8220;their prediction&#8221; without giving reference to anything at all. Fatemeh Rahbar (PM), Farsnews, and Ahmadinejad&#8217;s deputy declared that he would win 24 MILLION VOTES weeks before the election &#8230; just yesterday, Rezai&#8217;s website posted the scanned newspaper pages where they had made these statements.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to go on thinking that A.N. won the election, that&#8217;s fine. But for an Iranian, there have surfaced too many facts and too many questions and too many ambiguities to go on thinking that way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumple Stiltskin_24</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4252</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 10:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is what polls are all about , predicting the result of an election using a representative sample prior to the election.
All credible polls gave AH a 62-66% lead.

For example all US papers a week before the presedential election predicted an Obama win , according to your thesis that would mean they were participating in a massive fraud , which is clearly absurd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is what polls are all about , predicting the result of an election using a representative sample prior to the election.<br />
All credible polls gave AH a 62-66% lead.</p>
<p>For example all US papers a week before the presedential election predicted an Obama win , according to your thesis that would mean they were participating in a massive fraud , which is clearly absurd.</p>
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		<title>By: 99</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4246</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m even angrier at my government, for sending in all the covert ops, for making &quot;a federal case&quot; out of this to get the American people behind them for an attack on Iran, for even contemplating attacking Iran, for even having &lt;b&gt;ANY&lt;/b&gt; beef with Iran.

But that doesn&#039;t take the responsibility for helping these murderating pigs off the shoulders of people who should have known better from the start, but &lt;b&gt;CERTAINLY&lt;/b&gt; should know better after all the work that has gone into getting them the facts.

Okay.  I&#039;m going to go soak my head now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m even angrier at my government, for sending in all the covert ops, for making &#8220;a federal case&#8221; out of this to get the American people behind them for an attack on Iran, for even contemplating attacking Iran, for even having <b>ANY</b> beef with Iran.</p>
<p>But that doesn&#8217;t take the responsibility for helping these murderating pigs off the shoulders of people who should have known better from the start, but <b>CERTAINLY</b> should know better after all the work that has gone into getting them the facts.</p>
<p>Okay.  I&#8217;m going to go soak my head now.</p>
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		<title>By: 99</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4245</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 07:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I mind a dress code, and the morals police, even though I&#039;d rather see a less debauched society.  The point is:  it looks very much like they all knew Mousavi didn&#039;t have a prayer, but wanted to use this as an opportunity to go postal on the leadership.  &lt;b&gt;NO&lt;/b&gt; thought to the misery this would bring down on all Iran, and &lt;b&gt;STILL NO&lt;/b&gt; thought for it after being shown a bunch of different ways what is in action and what is at stake.  Isn&#039;t it Iblis who is this kind of one-eyed?  I know the Qur&#039;an or &lt;i&gt;The Counsels of Ḥaḍrat &#039;Alī&lt;/i&gt; talks about that.  So maybe they are losing their religion over personal desires that don&#039;t amount to so much when put up against the death toll this destabilization/PR effort is causing.

I&#039;m really getting very angry about this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I mind a dress code, and the morals police, even though I&#8217;d rather see a less debauched society.  The point is:  it looks very much like they all knew Mousavi didn&#8217;t have a prayer, but wanted to use this as an opportunity to go postal on the leadership.  <b>NO</b> thought to the misery this would bring down on all Iran, and <b>STILL NO</b> thought for it after being shown a bunch of different ways what is in action and what is at stake.  Isn&#8217;t it Iblis who is this kind of one-eyed?  I know the Qur&#8217;an or <i>The Counsels of Ḥaḍrat &#8216;Alī</i> talks about that.  So maybe they are losing their religion over personal desires that don&#8217;t amount to so much when put up against the death toll this destabilization/PR effort is causing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m really getting very angry about this.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4242</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 06:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Iran&#039;s financial system, cultural and religious systems are under attack from certain foreign countries. So why are Iranians in the West fomenting strife and violence? All Iranians, living all around the world, should be uniting to defend their country from outside influences.  

 Dress codes and morality police don&#039;t sound too bad to me, and I&#039;m not even muslim.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Iran&#8217;s financial system, cultural and religious systems are under attack from certain foreign countries. So why are Iranians in the West fomenting strife and violence? All Iranians, living all around the world, should be uniting to defend their country from outside influences.  </p>
<p> Dress codes and morality police don&#8217;t sound too bad to me, and I&#8217;m not even muslim.</p>
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		<title>By: 99</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4237</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 23:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[qunfuz

Thank you for this post.

I don&#039;t know about you, but it has become increasingly clear to me that this &quot;Green Revolution&quot; or whatever you call it is the Iranian incarnation of groups such as the exiled Cuban elites in Florida and the opposition in Venezuela, and, as of today, the Honduran elites who pulled off the coup against their president.  That is to say, they are educated, relatively wealthy, resentful of being pushed around by the unwashed masses, and so determined in their self-righteousness, inflated senses of self-righteousness, that they will stoop even to helping American Fascists get their way to gain back their &quot;freedom&quot; -- which better translates as their &quot;privilege&quot;.  I say this because I have noted their changing tactics with each new charge against them, the instantaneous response to people hollering about their protest signs being in English:  poof, gone.  People pointing out that the results had all been published, viable explanation for the precincts with more votes than registered voters, the partial recount:  all rebutted with more fantastical allegations.  The rush to get Neda&#039;s face on posters all over the world, when it has been shown that she wasn&#039;t at a demonstration, and the doctor who was supposedly helping her is giving out differing stories of the incident, and the Pahlavi pig prince claiming her as his daughter, and not &lt;b&gt;ONE&lt;/b&gt; of them griping about the Pahlavi flags being flown in support protests all over the world, and telling people all over the world to set their tweets from Iran.... On and on.

They do not give a fuck how this harms Iran, paves the superhighway for Halliburton, is an insult to what little claim to democracy they have, no, they want to wear what they want to wear, and out chic each other openly, and not let &lt;i&gt;their&lt;/i&gt; economy be ruined by religious nuts who insist on helping the poor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>qunfuz</p>
<p>Thank you for this post.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you, but it has become increasingly clear to me that this &#8220;Green Revolution&#8221; or whatever you call it is the Iranian incarnation of groups such as the exiled Cuban elites in Florida and the opposition in Venezuela, and, as of today, the Honduran elites who pulled off the coup against their president.  That is to say, they are educated, relatively wealthy, resentful of being pushed around by the unwashed masses, and so determined in their self-righteousness, inflated senses of self-righteousness, that they will stoop even to helping American Fascists get their way to gain back their &#8220;freedom&#8221; &#8212; which better translates as their &#8220;privilege&#8221;.  I say this because I have noted their changing tactics with each new charge against them, the instantaneous response to people hollering about their protest signs being in English:  poof, gone.  People pointing out that the results had all been published, viable explanation for the precincts with more votes than registered voters, the partial recount:  all rebutted with more fantastical allegations.  The rush to get Neda&#8217;s face on posters all over the world, when it has been shown that she wasn&#8217;t at a demonstration, and the doctor who was supposedly helping her is giving out differing stories of the incident, and the Pahlavi pig prince claiming her as his daughter, and not <b>ONE</b> of them griping about the Pahlavi flags being flown in support protests all over the world, and telling people all over the world to set their tweets from Iran&#8230;. On and on.</p>
<p>They do not give a fuck how this harms Iran, paves the superhighway for Halliburton, is an insult to what little claim to democracy they have, no, they want to wear what they want to wear, and out chic each other openly, and not let <i>their</i> economy be ruined by religious nuts who insist on helping the poor.</p>
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		<title>By: Pedestrian</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4235</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:51:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Keyhan, the Iranian newspaper closest to Ahmadinejad wrote that he would win by 64% A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION. 

How did they know this? If that link is your &quot;source&quot; for news on this election, I strongly suggest you start looking elsewhere. 

For one thing, ALL THREE REMAINING CANDIDATES, Karoubi, Mousavi and even the hardliner Rezaie have DECLARED THEIR STRONG BELIEF THAT THIS ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT. Whereas both progressives and the right wing media have reinterpreted this as Mousavi&#039;s fight alone. 

I am NO Mousavi supporter, but as an Iranian, after reading and seeing all the non-Mousavi related EVIDENCE THAT THIS ELECTION WAS EXTREMELY FRAUDULENT (If not stolen, I&#039;m not claiming we know the results) I can say that progressive voices have been as OUT OF TOUCH with &quot;Iran&quot; as those on the right. And that what makes this all the more frustrating and quite sad, is that we Iranians have indeed been sabotaged by both the right and the left ... each reinterpreting this story to the advantage of their own agendas without understanding what is REALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Keyhan, the Iranian newspaper closest to Ahmadinejad wrote that he would win by 64% A WEEK BEFORE THE ELECTION. </p>
<p>How did they know this? If that link is your &#8220;source&#8221; for news on this election, I strongly suggest you start looking elsewhere. </p>
<p>For one thing, ALL THREE REMAINING CANDIDATES, Karoubi, Mousavi and even the hardliner Rezaie have DECLARED THEIR STRONG BELIEF THAT THIS ELECTION WAS FRAUDULENT. Whereas both progressives and the right wing media have reinterpreted this as Mousavi&#8217;s fight alone. </p>
<p>I am NO Mousavi supporter, but as an Iranian, after reading and seeing all the non-Mousavi related EVIDENCE THAT THIS ELECTION WAS EXTREMELY FRAUDULENT (If not stolen, I&#8217;m not claiming we know the results) I can say that progressive voices have been as OUT OF TOUCH with &#8220;Iran&#8221; as those on the right. And that what makes this all the more frustrating and quite sad, is that we Iranians have indeed been sabotaged by both the right and the left &#8230; each reinterpreting this story to the advantage of their own agendas without understanding what is REALLY HAPPENING ON THE GROUND.</p>
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		<title>By: Rumple Stiltskin_24</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4234</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rumple Stiltskin_24]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 22:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Chapter 14 in the article below ( quoted via hyperlink already on pulsemedia) explains that the annoucements of results 2 hours after the election was not all that unexpected , nor operationally unusual.

http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html

The results were also in line with the few polls that were conducted.

There seems to have been a slight confusion between announcement of results and the formal ratification timeline.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chapter 14 in the article below ( quoted via hyperlink already on pulsemedia) explains that the annoucements of results 2 hours after the election was not all that unexpected , nor operationally unusual.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.counterpunch.org/amin06222009.html</a></p>
<p>The results were also in line with the few polls that were conducted.</p>
<p>There seems to have been a slight confusion between announcement of results and the formal ratification timeline.</p>
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		<title>By: qunfuz</title>
		<link>http://pulsemedia.org/2009/06/28/demonising-iran/#comment-4232</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 20:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Razoniaz - Iran&#039;s support for Hamas and Hizbullah is NOT irrelevant when it comes to Western attitudes to Iran, which is what this article discussed.

I have heard that beyond north Tehran, Ahmadinejad&#039;s plain speaking in the last weeks - specifically accusing Rafsanjani of corruption - boosted his support. But I wasn&#039;t in Iran, and you may be right.

I am not saying for a moment that we shouldn&#039;t talk about Iran. I am calling for real debate, and standing against a simplistic reduction, which is what the western media does.

I do not associate the present protests with counter-revolution. Where do I do that? I do the opposite. I say that the upset Iranians I met all preferred the evolution of the present system to counter-revolution.

And do you really think I&#039;m an apologist for Ahmadinejad and Khamenei? I think their unintelligent leadership is endangering Iran. I wouldn&#039;t have voted for Ahmadinejad. I&#039;m just asking the west to be less hypocritical, and the media to do its job.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Razoniaz &#8211; Iran&#8217;s support for Hamas and Hizbullah is NOT irrelevant when it comes to Western attitudes to Iran, which is what this article discussed.</p>
<p>I have heard that beyond north Tehran, Ahmadinejad&#8217;s plain speaking in the last weeks &#8211; specifically accusing Rafsanjani of corruption &#8211; boosted his support. But I wasn&#8217;t in Iran, and you may be right.</p>
<p>I am not saying for a moment that we shouldn&#8217;t talk about Iran. I am calling for real debate, and standing against a simplistic reduction, which is what the western media does.</p>
<p>I do not associate the present protests with counter-revolution. Where do I do that? I do the opposite. I say that the upset Iranians I met all preferred the evolution of the present system to counter-revolution.</p>
<p>And do you really think I&#8217;m an apologist for Ahmadinejad and Khamenei? I think their unintelligent leadership is endangering Iran. I wouldn&#8217;t have voted for Ahmadinejad. I&#8217;m just asking the west to be less hypocritical, and the media to do its job.</p>
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