Comments on: The Veil, Again

By: heather

heather — Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:48:12 +0000

… as for me.I choose to have the sun on my head and arms and legs. There is nothing more delicious after a cold winter then feeling the warmth of the sun on my limbs, and the wind in my hair, It`s one of life`s greatest pleasures.(I can do that and still remain modest.)
If there are women who choose not to do as I do, then that is their choice.

By: Idrees

Idrees — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:16:48 +0000

To begin – Western culture is superior.

Four legs good, two legs bad? Comment is superfluous.

What do you suppose would happen to a woman if she were to travel to an Islamic country and decide against wearing the veil?

I guess the same thing that happens to all women who go out wearing shoes. Nothing. Unless you are talking specifically about US ally Saudi Arabia, or Iran.

You know that old internet adage? It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought stupid than to open it and remove all doubt. Alexander Eddy, you are an arse.

By: Alexander

Alexander — Mon, 26 Apr 2010 13:09:26 +0000

To begin – Western culture is superior. Why? Because in Western society, you have the right to criticize your moral and political opponents without fear of violent repercussions. You must understand that to those raised in Western cultures, the idea that someone might be forced to dress the way they do because they were intimidated is unacceptable.

Islam has a track record of visiting violence on those that leave the faith, for example. It is entirely possible that some women wearing the veil would prefer not to, even if they live in Western societies. You ignored this possibility.

Second, “militant disbelief” poses little to no threat to anyone but the religious. Disbelief generally sides with the right to free speech. Faith often promotes the contrary, as was demonstrated by Revolution Islam’s response to a recent South Park Episode. You make broad assertions, such as the “crusades [which] are more numerous and far bloodier,” yet fail to mention specifics.

You then jump through the rolodex of history’s “villains,” as if you can implicate all atheists by naming political groups (and oddly enough, Capitalists, calling into question your understanding of the word).

Finally, I’d like to pose a rhetorical question: What do you suppose would happen to a woman if she were to travel to an Islamic country and decide against wearing the veil?

That’s what I thought.

By: Overviper

Overviper — Tue, 09 Mar 2010 20:18:47 +0000

As a man, I would not presume to tell women what they should wear or not wear (not that they would listen anyway)…however, what I can say with certainty is that the mixture of religion and politics is a deadly mixture. The wearing of the Hijab in Western societies has become a political statement, not only a religious one. To deny this is very naive. You can try to parse it any way that that you want, but at the end of the day, you have chosen to come here, and live here…and if you would like our respect, you must also respect us. Part of that respect involves not trying to change our society into something it is not. We appreciate the fact that we can argue with each other without either killing each other or otherwise trying to shut each other up. It is impossible not to see that in many Muslim countries it is not that way at all. At other times in history Islam was far more liberal than it is today, and did not look upon questioning as threatening, and women dressed far more freely. Today it’s different. Will (or can) Islam evolve? Everything now suggests not…that it will likely become more repressive as more and more hate speech about the West is encouraged. Where does that leave US? Feeling as if we are under attack by people who want to drag us back to the 12th century. So as you argue about your “right” to dress as you want, and your other rights…remember that they were secured by means of years of struggle to separate religion from the political arena (Turkey too, by the way, and Morocco…and other Islamic countries who have chosen this way to go) and to establish societies where women can actually make choices. But smarter women will always make smarter choices. You can say this is a very arrogant comment, but that’s just how I see it from the outside…

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By: Sean

Sean — Sun, 07 Feb 2010 08:55:05 +0000

You can liberate someone by restricting their freedom to be a slave? I thought the “freedom” to be a slave was the apotheosis of libertarian capitalism.

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By: deanne

deanne — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 03:52:30 +0000

“When it is to wear the veil because of protecting oneself from intrusive glances of males – that we should talk about how MEN actually see women.”

Whether a woman chooses to wear the veil because of religious observance, spiritual or cultural identification or as a rejection of being sexualised or for any other reason which is self determined and not imposed, I would think it’s ultimately an empowering act. I’m not really understanding the argument of how women are contributing to the oppression of other women by making choices which are right for them. Perhaps, someone might elaborate? :)

By: deanne

deanne — Wed, 03 Feb 2010 02:23:44 +0000

*homogeneous