On one of my blog post’s comment sections, a mini-debate ensued about the good ole’ Mufti’s meeting with Hitler, in which I pointed out to a link, involving Zionists with The third Reich, written by the Institute for Historical Review. It was later pointed out to me that the Institute for Historical Review is headed by someone who’s written for neo-Nazi publications. I’ve made the correction on the comment section, but I was definitely dissatisfied with the simplistic shelving of a source- even if I’m disgusted by its motives- as I felt there was academic merit to it. The world is far from black and white, and just as the Zionist Benny Morris’ work is regarded in academic discussion of Palestinian history, so can the writings of the Institute for Historical Review teach us about Zionist history. The rule of thumb would be, in these cases, to tread carefully and consider only the facts and not the conclusions.
The Undeniable Facts
The first question on my mind, when I was sent this list of links about Institute for Historical Review and its head, Mark Weber, was “how the hell could I miss that?!”:
- PublicEye (search: institute for historical review)
- PublicEye (Encountering Holocaust Denial)
- Southern Poverty Law Center (40 to watch)
- Forward: The Jewish Daily (Revisionist: It’s Time To Quit Shoah Fight) (Note on this site: it seems to have zionist tendencies, so I take it with a grain of salt)
The answer to this is twofold: On the emotional side, I’ve been lied to all my life, about “my” roots, “my” history and “my” heritage. So in my search for the truth, I’m a big believer in revisionism, pluralism of sources and so on (more on this later on). On the scholarly side, I looked into the sources of the article and it actually is irrefutable.
In order to set things straight, I give you a more Kosher link. True Tora – Jews Against Zionism make the exact same claim; Zionist leaders have, in fact, cavorted with the Third Reich. One look at the bibliography and you are baffled to discover that True Tora cavorts with Mark Weber and The Journal for Historical Review. Nothing is simple and it will take a much more serious scholar than myself, to determine the accurateness of the eery evidence, which The Journal for Historical Review puts forth. I’ve Googled the almost identical bibliography of these two articles and have come to a conclusion that one fact is undeniable: Zionist leaders had contacts with Nazi leaders. Period.
Holocaust Denial Revisionism
Unfortunately, now that I’ve linked Zionism with Nazism and accepted the words of apparent Neo Nazis, I’m open to one of the most common Zionist attacks: “Holocaust denier”. The following addresses that. (Though I’m sure it won’t really change the Zionist mind about me- this post didn’t have to be written, in order for me to earn this title.)
My experience with entries in Wikipedia, regarding anything that has to do with Israel, Palestine and Judaism, has left me skeptic. The gist of my skepticism lies in the fact that the Hebrew entries are completely bias, in favor of the Zionist narrative, and differ from the English entries (rather than translate them), which are also bias, but more moderately so. (Checking out the “discussion” tab, is the most you can do at this point, to spot the discrepancies.)
In my research for this post, I typed “holocaust revisionism” into the Wikipedia search box. “Holocaust revisionism” doesn’t exist- I was automatically redirected to “Holocaust denial” (a sub-directory of “Antisemitism”). This extraordinarily long article is bias at its core, stressing:
“Holocaust deniers do not accept the term “denial” as an appropriate description of their point of view, and use the term Holocaust revisionism instead. Scholars use the term “denial” to differentiate Holocaust deniers from historical revisionists, who use established historical methodologies.”
Personally, I see nothing wrong with looking into the facts of the (European) Holocaust, as I see nothing wrong with looking into the facts of the Palestinian, Armenian, Rwandan, or any other holocaust that may tragically come about. But it seems that I’m not in the majority, again:
“Holocaust denial is explicitly or implicitly illegal in 13 countries: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, France, Germany, Israel, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Poland, 0.Portugal, Romania, and Switzerland.”
I am hyper-aware of the dangers of denials of genocide, how it promotes further genocide and so on. If it isn’t clear yet: I DO NOT DENY THE EUROPEAN HOLOCAUST AND DO NOT DEFEND THOSE THAT DO. I do, however, have a huge problem with state issued thought control. As the premise of this Wikipedia entry is that revisionism of the history of the European holocaust is in fact holocaust denial, it seems that any freedom of thought into this issue is illegal, in the aforementioned states. (I’m already a huge criminal, but you can add this to my rap sheet…)
On the European Holocaust and the Palestinian Nakba
Quite frankly, I wouldn’t be so doubtful of “my” history, had it (and I) not been so cynically used, in the first place. (Norman Finkelstein is just one historian to write about my (and other Israelis’ and Jews around the world’s) predicament.) Had Zionists not made this cynical connection, the European holocaust would have had absolutely nothing to do with the Palestinian Nakba. In fact, the Nakba wouldn’t have occurred at all. As evidence, I urge you to open any random Zionist book about Zionism. What you’ll find is that the majority of the book is preoccupied with anti-Semitism rather than the core ideas of Zionism. More than anything, for me, these statements divert my attention from the task at hand- human rights. On the other hand; History must be explored, because we’ve repeated enough mistakes already.
P U L S E 
tali99,
Then you need to find and read “The Transfer Agreement: The Untold Story of the Secret Pact Between The Third Reich and Jewish Palestine” by Edwin Black. But I caution you to only read the 1984 MacMillan edition with the photographs inside. Abe Foxman had the book redone with an editor added; this version is widely available; the first versions are being pulped from libraries.
Looks like my post which was up today before this one above and recommended the same book plus other sources has been pulled.
The Holocaust fundamentalists are evidently at work on this site as well as Wiki!
Until I hear from Pulse’s editor to the contrary I think we can assume that s/he has done an Abe Foxman excision on the two posts I sent re-Holocaust revisionism earlier today.
These posts were the first two up before they were quickly removed without reason around lunchtime today.
In the first post I recommended Edwin Black’s The Transfer Agreement as a useful source on Nazi/Zionist links during WW2.
As well as this,I drew attention to the way Amos Elon’s The Pity Of It All:A Portrait of the Jews
in Germany,1743-1933 had been misread by reviewers in the Jewish-controlled press.
Elon left vital clues about Jewish complicity in the Holocaust which these reviewers completely missed.One clue was his reference to the schism between professional and petite bourgeois German Jews that occurred in the 1820s at the time of the first mass conversions.
Elon suggested that this schism was to have dire implications for the latter group at the time of the Holocaust in the following century.
Editor: This comment has been edited, and the subsequent one removed because the link didn’t work.
Is it really so hard to fathom that the Allied powers in WWII created propaganda myths? The well funded and staffed British ministry of propaganda is undisputed historical fact. What was their purpose? Revisionism will ultimately uncover Allied criminality and base motives, both need desperately to be pursued as the very same powers continue to commit identical crimes with impunity. The myth of the ‘good war’ should be shot full of holes.
While I certainly do not share many of Mark Weber’s views, having read several of his essays I do not consider him to be one who traffics in fraud. A recent offering that relates to this thread and which many would find interesting is:
How Relevant is Holocaust Revisionism?
http://atheonews.blogspot.com/2009/01/how-relevant-is-holocaust-revisionism.html
The editor knows full well that the second link I supplied worked.
Evidently he doesn’t want readers to see the evidence about the role of Jewish money power in causing WW2.
They have initiated a phoney debate because they are a gate-keeper extension of the corporate media.
A debate on revisionism requires the participation of revisionists not just Holocaust fundamentalists.
Pulse is clearly unhappy with the participation of those who want to challenge the Holocaust establishment narrative.They also do not want readers to see the evidence.
http://666ismoney.com/ww11.html
The link has the title:The Holocaust Didn’t Happen.
Pulse doesn’t want you to read it.
Those with any intellectual curiosity will read those without better stick to Pulse editorial policy!
This is the one that works Ed.doesn’t want you to read.
http.//666ismoney.com/HolocaustAds.html
Re-the original post that was pulled-in reference to the Holocaust fundamentalist laws that make questioning the Holocaust a crime I made the following assertion:
If a theory is protected by wall of artificial impermeability to intellectual challenge and dispute i.e.if it has been made synthetically infallible-then it is probably false and indefensible.
Pulse is therefore complicit in the legal apparatus that elevates Jewish victimhood above all others.
The corporate media and official history in the West have airbrushed the Jewish role in the Armenian massacres,the Bolshevik gulag,and the Ukrainian genocide.
The victims of these genocides were far more numerous than those in the Jewish “Holocaust” but their suffering does not merit the same sacrosanct status allotted to the “Holocaust”.
In the original post that I stated that the longevity of the Holocaust myth was due to its centrality in the web of other lies and disinformation that have been disseminated about WW2.
All are part of the psy-ops,mind control offensive launched by Anglo-US elites in the aftermath of WW2.The “Cold War” was another such myth.
Tali – I don’t understand the distinction between Eastern European and Western European Holocaust. After all, Jews in Germany, Holland, France and Italy were effected.
That’s a good point qunfuz! It’s another term I’ve gotten used to. Wonder where that one came about? In any case, duly noted and quickly edited- thanks :)
Pulse initiated a debate on Holocaust revisionism and then bottled it!
You’re just another arm of the corporate media mind control operation we can well do without.
If you initiate a debate and then prevent access to the evidence on both sides you are not in favour of open debate at all.
Phoneys!
Downloadable resources on the downright implausibility of the Holocaust establishment narrative include Jurgen Graf’s The Giant With Feet Of Clay which critically examines the claims made in Raul Hilberg’s seminal tome on the Holocaust,The Destruction of European Jews.
Graf takes apart the idea that Zyklon B (ironically a Jewish invention from WW1)could plausibly have fulfilled the role Hilberg and Holocaust fundamentalists claim for it as an agent of mass extermination.
Graf’s work is downloadable free at several sites including 666ismoney.com and Scribd.
For a work that takes the idea of there having been extensive Jewish/Nazi collaboration in the settlement of Palestine to its logical conclusion Kardel’s Hitler:Founder Of Israel is also available online.Though the translation is poor it identifies the Nazi leadership including Goebbels,Hess,Himmler,Heydrich and even Hitler himself-as all being of Jewish origin!
Now that’s taboo isn’t it?
Let’s see if it gets past the censor here at pulse!
The relationships (since there were many) between Zionists and the Third Reich is discussed quite well in EICHMANN IN JERUSALEM by Hannah Arendt. A book that arouses quite a bit of controversy still; Hannah Arendt was Jewish if anyone wonders about her pedigree.
Freeborn-Hitler and the other German National Socialist Workers Party leaders were not jewish. They were all ethnic Germans. Some jews had marryied into German families and became German, as did their future children. There is a book by Bryan Mark Rigg titled “Hitlers Jewish Soldiers” which talks about those German soldiers with jewish ancestry who served under the National Socialists.(On Amazon.com)
The goal of the National Socialists in the 1930’s was to remove jews from German lands, not mass murder them. Hundreds of thousand of Jews left Germany in the 1930s, very much alive.
The Germans and eastern europeans knew about the Jewish Communist mass murderers, who were killing millions of Russians in death camps, burning down thousands of churches, and killing thousands of Orthodox christian priests. The jewish led Soviet government also starved to death around 5 million Ukranians. The National Socialist government was created to defend Germans from those mass murdering jewish communists.
Phil
I’m surprised your comments got past the Pulse censor.
Maybe it’s a sign that they’re recovering from the paranoia re-this “contentious issue” that led them to excise entirely my first contribution to this thread!
We live in hope.
As to the German/Jewish ethnicity of leading Nazis-it is something of a taboo for official researchers.Kardel believes that Eichmann,who organized all Jewish emigration to Palestine prior to WW2,was “fully Jewish”.He was a Jewish “convert” to Catholicism born near Haifa who was both fluent in Hebrew,Yiddish and German.
Eichmann was taken under the wing of Heydrich (another Jew on his father’s side) and trained by Leopold von Mildenstein,an SS officer who was also simultaneously,by Kardel’s account-a Zionist Jew.
Eichmann went on to meet the Haganah commander,Feivel Polkes in Berlin prior to Eichmann’s reciprocal visit to Palestine in 1937.
Eichmann,according to Kardel,returned to Germany that year and told Hitler how enthused his hosts had been by the boost in Jewish migration that had been a result of the Nazi’s “radical”(sic) approach to the Jewish question.
Whether one believes Kardel’s assertions re-Eichmann’s “full Jewish” ancestry or not it is a fact that before 1939,300,000 mostly young German Jews had left the Reich for Palestine.
After the Anschluss,Eichmann moved into the Rothschild palace in Vienna.The migration agencies Eichmann ran both here and later in Czechoslovakia were both staffed by Jews.After the Anshcluss,Kardel claims 200,000 Austrian Jews settled in Palestine.
While these were the practical implications of having someone of Jewish ancestry and Zionist commitment running Nazi emigration policy the implications of Kardel’s statement that by Hindenburg’s death in 1934 no-one without mixed German/Jewish blood remained in the Nazi corridors of power shed new light on what really happened during the “Holocaust”.
Kardel’s account is a reminder of the role of the schism between Reform and Orthodox Jewry that had occurred in Germany in the 1820s at the time of the first “conversions” of professional Jews to Christianity.
The self-hatred and contempt for the wider community of E.European and Orthodox Jewry felt by Sabbatean false converts like Mendelssohn and Heine at that time is replicated later in the anti-semitic side of Zionism discoverable in the careers of Herzl,Weizman and Rabbi Stephen Wise of NY.
Recovering the Holocaust story in its entirety depends on our understanding the need to overcome the taboos around the role by these self-hating Sabbatean Jews,their influence in Reform Judaism and the collusion they elicited from both Roosevelt and Churchill in their successful attempts to control and restrict the flow of emigrants to Palestine up to and during WW2.
To their credit Zionist historians like Marvin Antelman and Gershon Scholem have researched these questions around the Holocaust in some depth and reached conclusions that profoundly question the establishment narrative left-gatekeepers and official sources have sought to air-brush from the debate.
Wait for the Pulse censors to get to work on this one……!
See Tex Marrs latest film on the Holohoax.
The film is Tex’s take on the book appropriately titled:
Holocaust Dogma Unmasked:A Grim Global Conspiracy Mocking Reality
The film is also posted at Noor Al Haqiqa’s blog:
Snippits and Snappits.
Hurry before the ubiquitous censors get to it!
Another must movie in this connection is:
Zionism and Herzl:The Anti-Semitic Side of Zionism.
Characteristically,given his Sabbateanism,Herzl advised European Jewry to convert to Catholicism.
The state he envisaged was to be a secular cosmopolitan enclave for European Jews who,despite their best efforts,had been unable to fully integrate with Gentile society.
From Herzl’s perspective there would be no place in the new state for the benighted Ostjuden who were to suffer so disproportionately during the “Holocaust”.
Confronted in the film on streets named after him with some of the vast litany of recorded disdainful comments made by re-Jews by Herzl the incredulous faces of Israelis are a joy to watch.
Must see if you get past the censors!