Ilan Pappe on Zionist Ideology

December 4, 2010 § 7 Comments


Ilan Pappe at the Palestine Solidarity conference in Stuttgart am 27 November 2010.


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  • Rob says:

    22:50 :
    “They learn in the political science department that in order to build a democratic society, where the majority can decide what to do, you are entitled first to define the majority, even by means of killing the other side, so that you would be sure what would be the result of the democratic election.”
    - in other words, ethnic cleansing as a form of gerrymandering.

  • DE Teodoru says:

    I do not share Pappe’s case for “guilty” that he would impose on the Zionists. Rather, I would argue that they are NOT GUILTY BY REASON OF INSANITY!

    Lest, we forget, Herzl, the “Father of Zionism” was a totally “cosmopolitan” Jew who knew nothing about Judaism and had baptized his son as part of his insistence that all Jews must be saved through baptism as Christians in order to become “normal” Europeans. Later, however, he came to promote the “Jewish State” exclusively for Jews. The goal of Herzl and the Zionists was not “colonization.” Colonialism was the exploitation of a local economy for the wellbeing of the colonizers but, at least in principle, also for the well being of the colonized. Whatever the horrors of colonialism, it is a fact that, for example, France doubled the population of Indochina through the life-saving programs of the Pasteur Institute there. In contrast, since Herzl made his schizoid shift to a “Jewish Homeland,” his goal was to exterminate the current occupants, not to exploit them. In fact, what the Zionists are doing is exactly what the Nazis, whom they so admired into 1940, were doing: killing inferior races to create “lebensraum” for the chosen race of history. When a Vienna rabbinical committee investigated the prospects for a Jewish state in Palestine, these Jewish clergy, driven by the Jewish Ethic, cabled back: THE BRIDE IS BEAUTIFUL BUT SHE IS ALREADY MARRIED! Yet, just as did David when he coveted one of his officer’s wife, the Zionist plan was, from the beginning– as documented by an equally schizoid “historian,” Benny Morris– the “FINAL SOLUTION”: extermination of the native population, NOT colonization, unless one means the term “colonizing” as used in bacteriology where one bacterial colony wipes out and replaces another on an agar plate.

    In a previous comment I provided the URL for an Israeli TV documentary proving that the Zionists are anti-Semites in that they hated the Jewish religion as much as they hated Islam, only, per their materialistic ideology, assuming the “Jewish race” owed by historical determinism its so called “Promised Land.” But Pappe’s quite right about not wanting Arabs, not even Jewish ones, in Israel as the Zionists stole the children of Mizrahi Jews and gave them to Ashkenazi couples from Europe to raise as the Zionists imagined “super Jews” to be.

    Israel is the civilized world’s greatest crime. But I insist that the Zionists are not guilty for reason of insanity, as their behavior and rationale is clearly psychotic. And indeed, the word they use to justify their illogic ideology is “complex,” is typical of a psychotic’s perspective on his illogical reality which he himself can’t understand.

    Lastly, I would insist that being “Jewish” does not mean you are psychotic as most Jews are NOT Zionists. Proof of this is that, no matter how crazy they manifest for Israel, Diaspora Jews are only neurotic in their behavior for they are not so divorced from reality and know well that Israel is a terrible place to live. Despite their knowing “white lies” in support of Zionism ( due to a neurotic guilt feeling for their silence during the Holocaust), by living abroad instead of in Israel, they make it clear that they are not so crazy as to be Zionists and make the Great Aliyah to Israel demanded by Israel of Jews. Note that the Emanuel family, for example, lives here and not in Israel , despite the father’s Afrikaner killer-like talk and the fact that the son was a US Congressman, not a Knesset member.

    Furthermore, being Jewish is not a hereditary disease as very many Israeli Sabras, once they finish their education in Israel’s fine universities, leave for jobs in the West rather than stay and make their future in Israel. Indeed, that seems to also apply to the die-hard “settlers,” for according to a recent poll 30% of them said that if Iran goes nuclear they will immediately leave Israel.

    In the end, what holds Israel together is not an ideology but a FREE LUNCH, paid for by American taxpayers. Cut US aid from Israel and I predict that in 3 months the population will decrease by 80%.

    In conclusion, Zionists are mad men but are only a relatively small proportion of World Jewry when one subtracts all the Jews who think Israel a nice place to visit but would never live there plus all the Israelis desperately seeking to get out plus the settlers who’ll immediately leave once Israel’s nuclear exclusivity ends. And, let’s not forget all those Zionist extremist Israeli officials with an Israeli passport in one pocket and another passport establishing their Western nationality in the other just in case.

    That leaves us to point the finger of GUILTY, not at Israel nor the Jews loyal to their real Diasporic homelands, but at the Western politicians who dance for chump change thrown at they by Diasporic Zionists whose support Israel is measured only in tax-deductible influence peddling, not in hands-on Zionism. Israel, in sum, is insanity because it is based on a pile of mutually contradictory and mutually destructive notions, like matter and anti-matter. Israel has survived this long because it could always deliver instant massive death on its Arab neighbors, keeping the casualties at 100 to 1 in its favor. But now the odds are changing as Arabs are refusing to run. It remains to be seen whether the Zionists will run or will come to their senses to make peace and integrate Israel with their Arab Semitic cousins, helping save the area from our truly oil colonialism.

  • AbeBird says:

    Ilan Pappé is the go-to guy for anti-Zionists activists looking to justify their hostility toward Israel. In particular, his 2006 book, The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, published by Oneworld Publications, is a primer for anti-Israel activists.

    Pappé reports on page 23 of his book that in 1937 David Ben-Gurion wrote the following in a letter to his son: “The Arabs will have to go, but one needs an opportune moment for making it happen, such as a war.”

    (In Oneworld’s proofs for chapter two of the text, the quotes are only around the first six words of this quote, but in a paperback copy of the published text, printed in 2007, the quotes appear around the entire sentence.)

    The quote also appears in a Pappé-authored article titled “The 1948 Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine,” published in the Autumn, 2006 edition The Journal of Palestine Studies. In this text, the quotation marks appear around the entire sentence.

    It is a damning quote, but it’s almost certainly a fabrication. In Dec. 2006, soon after the quote first appeared in print, another historian, Benny Morris, declared that the quote was an invention in a letter to The Independent.

    • aaheart says:

      David Ben Gurion, Israel’s first prime minister, told a Zionist Conference in 1937 that any proposed Jewish state would have to “transfer Arab populations out of the area, if possible of their own free will, if not by coercion.”[8]Report of the Congress of the World Council of Paole Zion, Zurich, July 29-August 7, 1937, pp. 73-74.

      We were told not to try to speak to Ben Gurion, but when I saw him, I asked why, since Israel is a democracy with a parliament, does it not have a constitution? Ben Gurion said, “Look, boy”-I was 24 at the time-”if we have a constitution, we have to write in it the border of our country. And this is not our border, my dear.” I asked, “Then where is the border?” He said, “Wherever the Sahal will come, this is the border.” Sahal is the Israeli army. Article by Naim Giladi, author of Ben Gurion’s Scandals: How the Haganah & the Mossad Eliminated Jews, http://www.real-debt-elimination.com/real_freedom/Propaganda/false_flag_attacks/false_flag_attacks_on_jews_in_iraq.htm

  • AbeBird says:

    Quote Not in Pappé’s Sources

    Morris is on solid ground in his assessment. The quote does not appear in any of the references that Pappé cites for it.

    In Ethnic Cleansing, Pappé cites the July 12, 1937 entry in Ben-Gurion’s journal and page 220 of the August-September issue of New Judea, a newsletter published by the World Zionist Organization. The quote appears nowhere in these texts. Pappé provides yet another source for this quote in the academic article published by The Journal of Palestine Studies. In this article, Pappé reports the quote appears in the 2004 edition of Palestine and the Arab-Israeli Conflict written by Charles D. Smith. The quote doesn’t appear in this reference either.

    Morris’ statement that the quote attributed to Ben-Gurion was an “invention” should have prompted Pappé to either provide an accurate, verifiable source for the quote or to issue a retraction to prevent others from using it. Instead, the quote, which lacked a valid citation, lingered on – without correction or retraction – in the fever swamp of anti-Zionist commentary. For example, it eventually made its way into With God on Our Side, an anti-Israel documentary produced by American filmmaker Porter Speakman, Jr. in 2010.

  • AbeBird says:

    After CAMERA challenged Speakman about the use of this quote in his movie, the filmmaker issued a correction. Speakman acknowledged that the quote could not be found in any of the sources Pappé cited and promised that it would be removed from future editions of the movie.

    CAMERA has contacted Oneworld Publications, The Journal of Palestine Studies and officials at the University of Exeter, where Pappé serves as a professor.

    Oneworld Publications has stated in a “tweet” that it is “looking into” the matter, but has provided no details.

    The Journal of Palestine Studies reports that it has asked Pappé to write a clarification. If Pappé does not respond, JPS reports it will issue a statement of its own in its next issue, which is headed to the printer in late January.

    An official from University of Exeter’s Ethics Committee has stated that the matter is currently under review, that the university takes such concerns “very seriously” and that a report will be forthcoming.

    http://isracampus.org.il/third%20level%20pages/outside%20Israel%20-%20Exeter%20-%20Ilan%20Pappe%20-%20caught%20playing%20fast%20and%20loose%20with%20quotes.htm

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